MY EXPERT OPINION EP #163: CANIBUS INTERVIEW (PT1)

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experience a large amount of success in the web series feel bumpy of respect life passed away today you know so I have a moment of silence thank you um my condolences his family his loved ones to the yard you know if there's anything I can help help with Reach Out Matt how you doing sir let's go with you so I'm bigger man of God Marco Polo what's going on man I'm here yo y'all I swear Marco you need to be an emoji face bro like that's unique right right yeah it's Unique it's very unique very unique congratulations on all your success man you deserve it thank you sir I appreciate that hey let's get Polo around Applause [Applause] um splat grass all right be my boy boom Pete thank you very much you know what I mean have me my boy math working running around crazy and respect life hacks whatever y'all need y'all know to reach out the whole cast the whole Court y'all y'all know what's up let's stop ah champ how are we feeling I'm feeling well feeling blessed glad to be free not in the system um rest in peace as well man salute condolences to him and his family um Shout Out yktv magazine you know the vibes I love that jacket that you got on fire right yeah you got on bro thank you sir and this is credited to uh aesthetic BK my boy shout out to you man Apostle Brooklyn yeah we need like a bunch of colors for Mac bigger than the whole crew you need to get that yeah that's easy all right ah yeah this is nice yo you've been doing a lot of producing lately yeah I've been in my my you know what I'm gonna keep it real since 19 Keys came and gave us that gold order [Music] and then we in the studio and we in the studio you see I'll be in the corner like I don't care about nothing else that's going on I want to make the music but let me get this out the way and I'm like laser focused on every single like details the meditation too obviously meditations yeah now I gotta say this is a long time coming um I want to start this by rewinding I was about 17. 17. there was this rapper that came on the scene and oh my God let me just heard this [ __ ] who the [ __ ] yeah like it's very rare that someone would have a top position on a coup tape that you never heard about the word unheard of very rare you have to fight to get to that unheard of and when I say I brought these freestyles back so many times [Music] it altered the way I wrapped um but I'm also very you know you know I'm I like to compete right so I heard that this person was going to be at a spot called hardcore on Flatbush Avenue open mic and there were rumors that he was always open to battle anybody I mean I read stories about him going up against the whole wotech that's Wu-Tang I didn't even do that it's crazy right so I said yo I want to battle this guy how old is you man I bust my brain for like three four days [Music] came outside to all my [ __ ] and I announced yo I'm going to hardcore to battle this guy my [ __ ] looked at me and they said don't shout the block out they're gonna embarrass us don't get us caught up in your [ __ ] man leave us out of it and that's the testimony because you're looking at a battle rap Legend that's a testimony to the greatness of the band conditioning we got cannabis today don't shout the block that's a crazy story that's gotta be the craziest one I ever heard and low-key that moment probably made me not only very Petty but much better at what I was doing because I felt like oh y'all [ __ ] don't believe but you're so aggressive dog I've always been that way that's a crazy story man a block that's how they you know us the wildest thing I'm sure there are a lot of stories like that I don't know what turned cannabis the brand or just that little dude writing like that would turn me into some kind of a bounty for just the lyric like what turned me into a bounty you know what turns you into this is the thing this is the thing and I set it up on another venue when when I was faced with the same kind of question anytime I sat down and I wrote and I was trying to just just say the most incredible stuff whatever I could say on with that pen and then vocal it and then voice and flex and everything really what I was doing it for I wasn't doing it to get about it I was doing it because I was that was my way of saying here's my resume kind of rap with y'all that's the honest truth and dealing with some of the names you mentioned and just how it was in general is a very very aggressive time those times Like Anything Goes and there was no no way to record it you know people had eight millimeter theme eight millimeter film or 16 there there was really no recording going on so it was really only Word of Mouth Legend and so sometimes you know you might not really Crush decipher because we call it ciphon too it wasn't always battling man if you're old enough to remember that it was Cypher into the net right that's how battle you in the flesh I'll battle you over the phone you can call me correct yeah I eat that you were giving out open invitations it was an open invitation step up [ __ ] I'm out here [ __ ] [ __ ] up what's up how else was I gonna get Clue to be like yo this is going on my mixtape first show this the first joke Tony Tony touch right 50 MCS I said something about the 50 MCS it was my self-promotion it was what is all I had to work with right was the pen the voice and that opportunity over that beat right but that's interesting I was out there battling [ __ ] what y'all do now and I Gotta Give just give it up off from the jump just keep it all the way above right it's defending Federal facts what y'all do now and call battle rap ferocious it's not what was how it started what the way it goes down now it is like pit fighting now you're standing in front of each other crazy close and you're talking about weapons that I don't even know if some of them exist right you know what I'm saying The Arms Room right if somebody hasn't seen a lot of arms right you know I mean so so and just what what's you know what what could be said the type of I wouldn't even really know what type of you know same psychology that it's hard to even put them into that classifier what does it take to go in there and do that to bring home the bacon you see what I mean the classics 10 cannabis freestyles We're not gonna sit here and act like one I gotta ask you how are you talking [ __ ] into being like okay yeah I know you asked for 16 but I got 57. how was you doing that I think a lot of that too like I want to send a shout out to Red Man beast from the East right red man was the one that based I mean cheek shout out to cheeks Lost Boys yeah they have record happen because of them right Charles suit you know Tim Dogg a piece of nappiness Uptown records all that right reversal but outside of cheeks saying all right cool lb you know spig Louis Vuitton saying all right Dad get to a [ __ ] cause Mama I had I was co-managing them I was General Manager group home entertainment so I was booking shows for them Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday six Bands A Night 24 bands a week 96 bands a month I was doing that and at the same time I always wanted the ROM I always wanted to be on the records I was around when legal drug money was released on Uptown records right the Super Mario god blessings you know what I'm saying like they called him Super Mario you know why they call him Super Mario no because he could jump so high and put the posters shout out to Super Mario he was the one that puff had bailed out for 25 bands Super Mario so so beast from the East happen because Red Man didn't mind me doing the 50 bars I know he probably went ran through his mind why is he doing this but he let it happen so that was the kind of energy that that that would that Tony just let me do them bars on there no clue let me go in there and get busy like that right Kim let me put those balls on that and then no one ever right they'd let me get busy with that right shout out to the whole firm click you know saying Steve's thought everybody that helped that happen and then Jamil who took me up there then four three two one then then the uh it was uh it was Panama Pio too cold it was a lot of Records but they were allowing me to do that and so why were they allowed I think because there was still a heart in hip-hop in terms of instead of shutting it down they wanted to see how far I could go with the rhyme they wanted to see me run with it they fed in ah they fit into the Mystique it's like watching you with ill will right you wanted to see the pressure that was applied to you in order to see how okay how did you get out of this preps what you did but those are the things that you know people want to see because it is it is something that's a it's it's kind of you know it's it's customized man how you get out of that pretzel right but when you when we talk about hip-hop it being so competitive and so ego driven the fact that so many people were willing to turn down their egos to let you take off because me personally I couldn't do it I I mean yeah I'll let you ride so I'm gonna get you back I'm gonna get you back the next time you got a joint they got more 100 on your [ __ ] you know what I mean so watch this you know what I'm saying I know nobody wasn't nobody wasn't getting it back right nobody wasn't getting them back I know you cut some necklace right and I'm not like that anymore I can't do that anymore I could still go ahead and go for Mars and make a record sound good when it's all said and done and it's gonna be hip-hop right but at that time when you wanted to come down to hardcore I had four around four hours of Rhymes in my head it wasn't 30 pages of Rhymes in this fiction as well because it wasn't that it was really four hours I just talked to smooth Hustler the other night and um he already knows this but broken language the beat I had it recorded on a 90-minute tape back to back where you put it into Sony or the Denim and it goes all the way and then it flips over by itself and then goes all the way back as you can select you know what I'm joking that was my workout team so I just sit there and rhyme for it to the four hours when I can skip to any rhyme and any point so you wouldn't even know that it wasn't off the head or what have you and it was really like that I was really doing or he was doing that back then right I got to speak about it in the third person because it was true can I do that now no do I know how I was doing it then no maybe maybe it was the focus the repetition and you you know just having the memory being able to keep all that in your head Ginkgo that should have come around look there's a battle battle rap regiment diet of things that you eat to treat your memory I'm learning man I was look when I genuinely wanted to give back to it as much as I could I wanted to put into that genre of the culture it seemed like I almost you know jumped out the window for battle rap or for that style of rapping on every record that I could get my hands on or a chance to do but the reason why that scene wanted to see you on the scene is because of the content the lyrical content that you was delivered I got on the track with Brian McKnight and I was screaming on the mic I got opportunity to Rock with Brian with that I didn't I wasn't even thinking like we want to talk about that in the [ __ ] don't make no sense right it was just like y'all are now but I was I was doing as Extreme as I could then and I remember the annals used to look at me shout out to be on the value he'd look at me to say cannabis once you just put a hook in here man like you know and I'm like yo I I you need a studio I leave it just the way maybe add balls to it yeah now if I have to get on stage to do 100 bars I'm saying I should have listened to that [ __ ] don't agree I don't agree and I'ma tell you why A Milli a million yo bro so many records uh Cam'ron uh three 357 yeah that was the same Magnum P.I Jones six foot seven foot I feel like the structure that they were trying to put on you wasn't your structure you feel what I'm saying yeah if you'd have did one of those and I was the single imagine that uh I don't know if you want to push a whole album of that I think that's where the a RS was coming from this is I don't think you [ __ ] understand every time you heard this thing you've been spitting like 50 bars on a rapper that we love this track it's the difference between having a dude who puts numbers on the board and and one and then putting them in the NBA the rules are different doesn't it doesn't take away from the skill fact it doesn't mean what he's doing out there makes him any less but there's rules they got rules in here that you need to format it like this in order for us to be successful and you're a pro now you're a pro you don't understand how high it gets to when you start getting to the budgets you know that's why you wore one jacket is that everybody got jackets I want one of those you know you got me looking crazy when it's budget so we rapping like how we was rapping it's always one and on the group just like I mean where's the hook at look how many into some radio you know you don't complaining it was always one and all but that's my issue with the industry when you when you when you sign this guy you know who the [ __ ] he was he wanted me to change my name off you say yo change cameras you can't have that name you know how scared I was worse it's marijuana yeah yeah yeah it's everywhere it's everywhere that's the whole I'm Jamaican right but the whole thing and I spoke to different yeah but the whole thing is those kinds of things are going on we would now you know what I'm saying thanks to you there's so many others right the names don't like so many others right battle rap now is it's what it would have been a like a Disney World to me right if it had happened right even just to participate not to dominate but just to torches be so that's what it was back then you know I just didn't want to hear that man they didn't want to have nothing to do they put a cap on your creativity but then and we still move numbers to the records still moved it but like I said you know screaming on the mic with Brian McKnight it's just not the way to go but what it just said I'm cannabis right no matter what [ __ ] situation you put me in cleft was the only one he was the only one that's that let me just go he's the only one that let me go shout out the club now let's let's uh should we yep it's now the time Eminem called you out oh oh can you say that name on this yes I can yeah shout out to Marshall um definitely gave me a beautiful cosign early in the game you know what I mean but he called you out and for the rest of us it was like oh [ __ ] oh that [ __ ] was about to happen so okay the name you just said Jesus Christ it's just not a name it's not a person it's not just a brand it's an institution you notice by now there's so much involved with trying to dance with that right because when one entity one institution right pays so many checks and you know there's so much riding on that you know just his Peace of Mind sit down right make the records that he made those hits nobody's gonna allow you to mess with his energy his distraction or you know not even be a problem you know they're gonna you know not this situation in particular but in and you know if we're watching a movie what do they do they're gonna you know inject you with something break one arm you know send them throw you in a ring with them you understand I mean they mean they need the institution to be not to say that he don't get busy and go for the crown or do what he do but add you know a billion dollar company on top of that right right and to tell you the truth you know battle rappers battle rap but the distinction between what I experienced and what you know I'm sure some battle rappers experienced this but I'm not gonna say what label but I had a six million dollar bounty on if I had a show for 7 500 that label will pay the promoter double right so being that label double to not book me means that even if I get my first half for the show right the motor called back and say hey look we got a problem with the venue but look just keep the first half and they take the double it was paid to them plus my second half so this was going on when it was going on I didn't know because once again I was running around with blinders on I didn't understand institutions and I didn't even know that rap had that kind of thing going on right how did you find out that was happening to you I'm assuming the Cool J situation well you know you know in certain situations you know whenever I had a homie that's smashing one of the broads up there one of the VPS man and she just told them you know and then he came back and told me so so you're I mean this is this conspiracy theory is based on a chick conspiracy theory I mean I mean how can I prove that though how could you not will you want me dragging in here yeah I don't even know what she had like oh but I mean not not just not just one source hold on we're just asking why he didn't shoot back it and let whatever we well he's giving us the answer well yeah well so no yeah real quick so at that time you not having the knowledge you have of the game you felt like you wasn't comfortable enough or maybe confident enough to go against him because of the institution okay good question I don't know if you even remember a record called see True Hollywood stories I don't even know if you remember that everybody you know it's like the weakest record probably I ever did it was a satire album but I don't know it wasn't really received that well did pretty well for like a little underground record it's still selling it's still on Amazon right right but at the time it got me to a lot of trouble like so I put the record out and I brought Stan back to life right what year was this this was 2000 2001 2001 like I took the part where from the inner Lewis stand was going crazy and was driving and drove off the bridge and splashed in the water and I the interlude started with me during the rain going to catch the the the the the plane and I I saw the car crash happening I said told my man Pac-Man Sean rack you know what I'm saying shout out to Big Pac-Man and we drove we drove we pulled over and we jumped in the water and brought stand back to showing Stephen gave him CPR and everything I wouldn't do that today because you don't want to catch the virus or something you want to catch the new variant right you know some fentanyl on you or something but we brought him back to life right and then we ran the ad in the source right it was a 25 000 page act by the way it was independent right he was independent and we bought the ads yeah but we bought the ad and we ran the ad where Stan was writing a letter to Eminem to say hey yo how you doing you know Marshall I'm with cannabis now you look no hard feelings I'm not mad at you I just wanted to come out on the road and he got me on a tour right yeah so we were looking to make a little bit of noise off of that so I could really have stand on the road with me the guy that took the picture for the album cover his name is David Anders who's now like a super movie star but at the time he just wanted to use you know canvas can I use this for my glossies I said fine you know um we were going to go to England we were in England already when the record came out we were going to take that money just wrap the van the ambulance make it look like it was American right get the tour bus go on tour 175 bands came in back in 0-1 you know the label that said artists we talking about was on had Sue selecto hits labeled to put out the indirect Independent Record sent them you know something this thick saying you know if you put this out you know we're gonna sue you all the pages in there was like the stick was like three 400 pages of stuff like dealing with Three Six Mafia stuff like that right but on page so Johnny Phillips shout out to Johnny Phillips Senior who was he has like that real Elvis catalog and stuff he called Interscope to find out what was how can you what's going on right he had our check right 175 and um you know when he spoke up there to to the law legal team up there they said look go to page 202. said all right that's our problem we can make your problem go away if you make our problem go away the Lost cannabis with the page standing there with it with the C2 Hollywood stories John they wanted him to not pay us a dime so to just make it all go away because remember I was about to take Stan on tour I was about to I was about to shoot a video and oh one the video would have been a real video right you know 16 millimeter fan film all right you know we were getting that Celluloid film from a school school over there that did film and they had leftover film right we were getting real 16 million millimeter Celluloid film right and we were going to take this 175 I take my cut 50 and change right and make it happen that was like kebast why it goes back to what you're saying I can't prove it but there but obviously man you got your number one star throw bread man you're not gonna allow that to get distracted with all this we got other stuff we doing you know you know I can't I don't know if I could get I don't know if I follow hey why didn't you go to the um Mixie say again the mixing excuse the mixtapes so you know funny enough when I have my publishing deal right I was supposed to get a second installment on my publishing and um don't want to say the guy's name because you know he was chairman of that company at the time his huge publishing company and um I signed to them initially because he said that you always had working she's such an incredible writer we always use it for other stuff you know voiceovers all that stuff and to tell you the truth you know I wouldn't want to been like the Shrek voice or you know one of them Darth Vader voices on one of them just I was into that right and um assigned to them for that reason because I knew that I would always have work outside of and so he had said to me same thing you said when you know my second album this third album was going to come out universal he would pay me to record my third album and he was saying you know you should go to the mixtape scene look man I was maybe like 24 25 and I had already pretty much like you know for the first album I traveled the world with Cliff like passport has so many stamps and I had to get a new passport right I've seen so much and been so many places and knew what rap can do at a Max Level they're going back to the mixtape scene for me it was like going back local it's yeah it wasn't a bad thing it was just that I knew that what I'm trying to do because the internet it was a lot of things I was trying to do basically what is happening now with everybody I was trying to do that then but that's what I was trying to do everything would it take for you to do this now I was doing that then I my my cannabis.com site had 18 million hits from September of 97 to September of 98 and it was that traffic was was uh collected by a company called Alexis look it up I think Google bought them that was real I could prove it to you by bringing in the sheet but the Ink's rubbed out you know said right from Storage like these these are things that I can't even prove did you have a relationship with Dr Dre never met Drake seen him coming outside of the manger on one time right never met him never met him and this was when he got you know seeing real buffing so I wouldn't even have walked up to him when he was coming out he was hopping and look yeah I wasn't even on yeah so make sure this tracks Eminem calls you out you don't get back at him because of the machine that would have applied pressure to your career I set a little underground things said little things on little songs here and there yeah but that's not what we was that's not what a God no he was going to with the whole stand and they could watch that right and funny enough for all the real like YouTube investigators out there you want to do YouTube forensics at that time when that record when when all this was going on a movie came out when we was waiting for the money because we didn't get it done you know what I'm saying like that selector didn't send a dime and um so that was dead I was in London I had to do shows to get everything back up to at least be able to you know what I mean like get keep my flat out there there was a movie that came out at the time called changing lanes yeah like Samuel Jackson have been that's what I was going through Ben Affleck that's what I was going through slide my card you know if you remember the movie for all the YouTube investigators like and I was I was just like I was smoking a lot of turtle yo listen to me man you know that English Turtle tobacco listen to me man I was going through it yeah and I'm like you know it just don't make no sense let me just go back to doing what I do basically I looked at it as a situation where you know that that stallions left the horse left the barn you know that that that that thoroughbred's gone right there's no way and also too I'm gonna eat this man when Eminem When I met him for the first time it was at my video shoot for I honor you right um clef told me he was coming I had heard of him you know I heard a lot about him knew he rocked with The Outsiders and stuff I knew he got busy had no problem with meeting him at that time it was a newborn on the set the label was spanking us two weeks before that to say this newborn there's a newborn in the video for our anime he said when that newborn gets here we're charging they're charging us 400 over sag every minute for the baby being there so they spanked everybody prior to all that when Eminem came out the the uh you know what I'm saying out there out the bench started glider wagon he's with Jimmy Iovine when he came out the Galata wagon no more don't say y'all know what to do so I was already under that pressure I remember that part when that happened I was like wow like this can kind of wait but and M pushed up to like you know candles I just want to work with you I want to do something with you I was told right before he got there man like not even five minutes before he got there that he ghost wrote Ripper strikes back and all that back then man I was so you know I didn't know what was going on for real I had to rely off of what I was being told especially if it came from a source that I trusted or what I thought was reliable well so well at the end of the day were they reliable sources no because he didn't write it and I was told that and so my conversation with him was like was like well yo why did you write that and what did he say then he said he was embarrassed and said I didn't write it and so for the song but I had destroyed the opportunity of ever really working with him again because he really was genuine about how he felt was going on but at the time you know we all go through that when we get in them areas where it's like you feel like everybody out to get you right when you're dealing with a Titan and now you don't know who's what what's what right and this is still a get busy profession at the time we all rap get on each other's um track and take each other neck bone off you know what I'm saying it was it wasn't something we would like be doing r b but we're gonna make love to these girls all right man you sing that part I've seen this part right let's talk about killing each other we talk about doing all kinds right so so it was not knowing that that wasn't true in my mind I was like why would you do that why would you come here and want to work so bad with me and then you ghost wrote that I didn't know and so that destroyed everything right at least that so you know yeah man and I wisened up man I wisened up I didn't I knew that I knew that there were things where it was like he get busy you know at that time I was I was in that lane getting busy on the mic but you know he also he also had like just this thing where the stuff that he was talking about you know everybody wanted to hear that they wanted to hear what he said how he said it there's a rhyme in there where he said square dance I said two trailer park girls run around the outside that was from the round that I had said from box cut a Blade Runner so he was doing things like that saying things in the rhyme where it was driving me crazy I'm just keep it all away it was driving me nuts right you know what I'm saying I was in Amsterdam in Amsterdam in a red light district right right and I remember going to uh you know red light district right and um you know I used to go to the mix block the block all the mixes ups are you know give me the months right right and sure he had the ponytails and all that and she was in the room she grass in there fake grass and stuff right it had on the tennis skirt and pigtails and all that and and I was standing looking through the window and she ran over to the radio and she doing and then she started taking stuff off the desk because she's trying to get me to put money on the window to say hey that's you know what I'm saying so as I'm listening to the music and then I hear his voice come on right and his voice commodity it's your biggest man and I feel like he's talking to me [Applause] think about it though right oh you got a naked and he starts listening to the lyrics that's the first time the song came out it's the first time you heard it first time [Applause] he said I was the first time okay she was focused on the wrong way you were such a a so into your craft so you so so so if you were me you would have walked in you would have gave it a break you would have went in there while his voice was playing it yeah why he's talking okay all right all right [ __ ] this [ __ ] talk about man all right yeah okay yo throw my [ __ ] throw my [ __ ] I'll give you another five dollars if you change the song If you that song was an award-winning song anyway without what it meant to me for y'all and for the rest of the world that song was that song was an incredible song Just songwriting all that anyway I don't care what none of y'all say that record was talking to me because that's what happened when I I was rude to him and then he took his style and his ability how he write in his mind and he turned it into that that's what was driving me crazy and you'll never be able to like be in denial about it because I lived it is it because no one else I understood that it was about you because he felt like he in that moment he created a monster and this monster that it was now getting the attention and it was my fault that he was getting but it was my fault it was my fault it was my fault but at the time I wasn't looking at it like it was my fault I was looking at it like yo my label need to do more with me or the the folks that I'm working with need to do more to push my [ __ ] right I didn't understand that there's an institution involved in you know what I'm saying that whole craze that whole it was a tsunami right and that stand record I don't care what you're talking about I brought him back to life and that was my way of writing back to say Hey look you know I I said to you I shouldn't have did that but you know what I brought Stan back to like come on tour with me that was my way of saying like yo listen it ain't over don't kill Stan off and they was and whoever was listening it was mad that I was trying to bring him back to life right and I was trying to clean it up the family was mad I was trying to clean it up it was it was bad you took you took too long to respond to that there was a lot going on underneath all that I feel you because I knew it was going on on the Block right I knew but at the same time I wasn't thinking about what's going on the Block cause I always knew that I had those Rhymes I was stuck because I couldn't make a radio record to contend with that and that's where the anr it drove me crazy facts wait wait hold on I was young though you ever see him after that you ever spoke to him after that never man that would it was that's that's what what he yo listen a lot of artists won't say it he's watching right now hey thank you all right thank you because a lot of people throw gas on it yeah and the truth about it is that you know I I tried to clean it up in different ways but it almost seemed like the public like me better as an angry artist or like he's saying angry things they didn't want to hear me when I did the song No H's gold ages gold HIV is platinum went for the Levi's soundtrack with the lighting of the tree downtown they didn't want to hear me talk about those things right they didn't want to hit Channel Zero like on a big level I talked about things in those records from the first album that today is like the average YouTuber is talking about that and he's serious about it people was super chatting them and sending them breaded right yeah I was doing that thing um so the truth about it is I really just needed a hug man it's true I get it it's true I think I loved it Eminem man is you crazy like his ability man like forget about all the sales because that's what will make thoroughbreds look at each other and one's gone because not only are they gone because of what they could do on the mic and even if you could catch up it's like yo man did you see his trailer that he's in did you see the the engine that's in there the NASCAR that's in the back did you see the helicopter that'll take them from one country to the other did you did you see the they called them Gulf streams but you know what I mean it was Jets I only went on a jet that kind of jet goes through one time but you know what I mean go see the dollar with who Clash right clef exposed me to all of that so you know I was man listen to me man he didn't tell you to how to make radio records cluck was making some of the best radio records ever you were actually all one of them so let me ask you this right you've been in the studio recorded right yeah songs sure so oh some artists and these are the ones that I admire you know like to the artists that can go in there and make a record and they just make a radio hit they just make it a radio hit and the producer a producer that you just drop your verse and you leave the studio that's not what I wanted to do but I used to really Envy not jealous of but Envy the artists that were able to drop a verse and that producer finished the track and they come back and it's a hit I never had that brother like I never had that man I just played the tape and the people listening watching this they know cannabis never had that man cannabis just going there they just want to just rhyme on a record if I don't put no hook on it the producer don't put no hook on it did it confuse you the fact that I'm sure you got signed based on what you were doing on the mixtapes what you were doing on other people's records right the reason I got signed is because we got a production deal right and I saw an opportunity to be the first artist signing a production deal because I was taking care of all the Lost Boys business in-house every day all day you know from Uptown to Island Records you know to you know all the deals in between oh you know it's a good place to say this working for um Tim Dog Patterson at Uptown records y'all can look them up if you don't know who he is Charles suit I want Charles Sue Todd Ella B tears um shout out to group home entertainment we was called group home entertainment we had to make calls in order to even get to use the name because y'all know the original group homes get busy with it and you know what I'm saying like shorty Nutcracker yo they was Maniacs yeah you had to make calls even straighten that out all right right right all right so so now Tim Dog Tim Dogg used to have a dab box he was he was he did that box sit outside his office I would be proactive and go into that box and listen to music and then put it on his desk which one is is what he needed to be listening to I found winter Wars I was the one that got winning was the captain Donna going berserk what's going on 311 yeah I remember that that thing yeah I remember that big that was that [ __ ] no but I heard it first though because I was the one that put it on dog's desk right wow Joe I Wanna Know I wanna know Hey Joe wherever you at I put that dat on dogs is he listening yeah Joe I did that I'm not saying this to be boisterous or poking my chest out what I'm saying is I was doing more for the culture than just trying to get a deal and come out and rap I was really in love with music and coach of the rap and he's like really though right Neptunes I gave Pharrell and his man the five thousand dollars I told dog to do it to bring them to the to New York they already had equipment so when they came to New York they just never left they used that money to I guess paid for what they was doing and I never we never chase that money back down from them because Pharrell used to call up there every day yeah Pharrell Williams matter of fact when he called up there he'd be like yo you know is my my CD up there sometimes they would send that because they had that kind of equipment right is my dad up there you know Pharrell Williams a confidential Jermaine Williams Island Records how can I help you oh Williams we must be brothers then yeah Pharrell yeah that's what we said yeah and you know nobody'll ever get him to prove it right but these things did happen right so imagine fast forward play the tape and then all these other things that you might want to talk about I was already damn man crazy just looking at who turned into what and who did what and I've been sitting right here battle rapping with y'all [ __ ] man everything still turned out good praise God man praise the most high but the whole thing is at that time man it really was like [ __ ] with me though I think I think you know I've settled in into my mode now but at that time I was trying and you said like somebody's saying um you know a record like just just make a hit record or just just tell you what to do they ain't gonna tell you what to do they were telling me what to do but I wanted it rap to be like how it is now where y'all get to do whatever y'all want to do and have a podcast and do all that I wanted that then nobody was helping me man I spent six figures in bandwidth back then phone number 718-212-914 you know we had to pay to make them calls phone bill was like eight racks a month yeah this is what I was doing and not for myself I was doing that I was paying everybody's bills for the money that came in from the shows and so forth soundtracks but we would jump and rope but I had wanted everybody to speed up I remember one time I think it was you Nori maybe I was talking about how I had a laptop or something yeah I wasn't a nerd [ __ ] running around yeah I wasn't a nerd [ __ ] running around with a computer right what happened was I could get them down quicker in the computer than I could write them because it's just keystroke and I did know how to type if that's nerdy all right man but that's I mean I swear to the world now yeah usually you don't walk in the studio and they're like I I I'm almost done with my verse but look at everybody now right that's I and I and and that's really you're giving me that you were ahead of your time but it was a problem and you're giving me an opportunity to get that oh you gave me a hug y'all gave me a hug listen to me this is what I wanted we appreciate what you did for the coaches I get it late but I get it late but it was worth it well you being cannabis even when I say a little slick [ __ ] on the show I could cry though for real I got a hug yeah from everybody and I got to say to um what I've never been able to say you can't even say that to a middleman right I I spoke about how I tried to clean it up with you know what I mean and yeah yeah well you gotta understand your persona to the people that don't know you right is almost like the Persona will not necessarily put on me but they think a battle in Seasons we're me we're just mean people you know what I'm saying so anybody that that's thinking about coming to Canada this is feel like oh I gotta be like this or I got to talk to them this way because that's what he's gonna respect because that's what he does and you did a lot to fuel that perception yeah tons I mean look let's see you know what man that sounds great you know but look man a I didn't uh I didn't I didn't really I didn't really jump out the window and kill nobody no I'm saying I didn't I didn't uh you killed a couple careers no I don't think so okay but the whole thing is this like music video really man our cloth the ones we came up in our drill sessions and how we did it Bruce Lee not to say we Bruce Lee but lyrically we'll put his name and we'll do all his moves lyrics Bruce Lee when I say we I mean like battle rappers man every battle rapper knows who Bruce Lee is no matter how old they are what was cheeks part of this regiment no Bruce Lee is the name of the guy Bruce Lee the great you know I'm saying martial arts what I'm saying like as you were doing I mean we I mean I mean everybody right we would put Bruce everybody knows who Bruce Lee is you know who Clint Eastwood is you know Rambo is right the the aggression the things that we will Fuel and somehow turn it into a rhyme or what have you right Bruce Lee used to sit in L.A um before he got injured I read this and he's sitting in his backyard with his with his wife and his children and sometimes you know you know when you go to La and you're around La you're running around you start to notice these high walls or these high uh bushes that they cut thick bushes that they cut I don't know the name of the plant but yeah the hedges but the but they cut them in a way that you can't just jump through the bush right and you can't see who's on the other side you might hear a voice you know it could be MJ back there you don't know so you know people would jump his gate they find his address and they jump his gate and then they deserve him while he was sitting with his child and his wife he's been like you know I want to spar with you right and so Bruce I mean he probably feel like how we would feel sometimes when somebody is just ready for that spawn session right you're not yo can this weight you know like what are you doing and imagine like how that is with rap everywhere man you know what I'm saying just imagine how that is you know I'm not saying I'm Bruce Lee I'm not saying that but she wasn't being called out yeah because I was outside of Hardcore all night I was there waiting so that the challenge is the best you know what I'm saying like and you know I had some bad boys who be there in them days man it wouldn't have been good man because they always be like blood clot marker rapper when I was sitting under that you know double action 45 on they didn't want them because they knew that it they knew that it took me out my zone to perform later on right with doing stuff that had to do with money and for them you were the institution you were the machine you were the person who was feeding all these people I was just a cash cow so they circled the wagons to protect you the same way you were describing them and them being protected just a cash cow not an Institute I wish I was an institution well no no if you're paying the bills that's an institution wasn't paying the bills what's it paying the bills just being a little check that could come in and they could learn the bigger money through I'm trying to show you how small on the on the totem pole you know what I'm saying I was at the time like these [ __ ] already had bread man they just needed some way to clean it right so those these are the things it was like man I was trapped you hear me all I could do was rap so let me break this up um so the people around didn't have an interest in your career they had an interest on how they could use it every rapper that comes from the Block I'm from Jamaica right but every rapper that comes from you know less than sophisticated and humble beginnings right had that you know that money guy that would pay for Studio or you know make sure you get in and out of you can and after that beautiful voice that makes them Rhymes man yeah Kenny had nothing happened to that that hand that writes those Rhymes you know so that was everywhere you know but I had a team yeah I mean and that team was also even a threat of sorts two folks that was out and maybe someone just leave that alone you know and I was in the middle of it man you know well all right I want to go back even for because I feel like a lot of uh apprehensions in the way that you view things was a result of being in the industry it kind of like all right I'm I'm that guy now it's my life is changing all this stuff is around me now I'm going through this particular situation it's a situation I want to talk about um you're doing legendary Cycles or what we call Cycle records right you get a call for four three two one um what happens locate 4321 long time ago did you get a call more like I went up to the studio Jamel took me up to the studio I know there's violated pitches everywhere so I'm not sure what studio it was it wasn't one of the studios I was recording in or had recorded in before and um a little bit uh you know uh Dave Lighty was there he's my favorite lady Dave you know what I mean and uh and Mike Mike was real young there you know God bless you know what I'm saying um like God bless him you know what I'm saying right to Paradise but Dave was my favorite right because Dave didn't have any type of it didn't matter to Dave one way or another if if he would if he was assisting me or helping me like get through a tough moment or anything Chris on the other hand hands on you know you know L was on violator right so Chris you know and that was baby Chris from de la Solo or Chris been doing it his whole life you know he was he yo you know I want to send a shout out to the energy and the entity and the essence of Chris Lighty Chris Lighty was our president you know what I mean you hear me like Chris lady I said if nobody want to see it because lady was our president in what way he was our president Chris Lighty was the one man that could make a phone call and get anybody bred right now legit make him make your music do whatever make a problem go away legit make everything Chris Lighty was the one to do it you know get this bill passed get that bill passed push it through Congress whatever type of terminology Chris Lighty was the guy nobody's been able to do it shout out to DJ red alerts he gave us a lot of insight on the early years of Chris like oh he did yeah oh yeah on the episode oh yeah they were really you know watch that I gotta and y'all y'all did that already yeah I did it I gotta watch that one shout out the Red Alert yeah or so Chris Lighty yeah Chris lighting is in the building and you know important right um of God he was dead and I'ma say this because herb not gonna be mad because look at him now right herb was like you know whatever X needed Irv got it for him when I showed up Irv was telling me like yo cannabis man what are you doing what's up like yo listen I got Peach I got that we need to talk so we saw because your Earl was trying to build murder ink at that time but nobody else knew what Earth was going to end up doing right you don't say herb was on it with me like the way he was talking to me I couldn't even you know say wrap my mind around what he was saying right because I was just saying man like maybe I could just get on this record yeah 10 years in the future youth is crazy man you know so what was the reception when you walked in the building well I was surrounded by Def Jam you know what I'm saying now and one thing I want to point out man we got Cali Ranch in the building you know what I'm saying former Dead game recorder you know what I'm saying you got blacks man you feel me and Def Jam he'll tell you anybody that really worked up there tell you that gym had a conference room most labels had a conference room but their conference room was called the War Room that's what they called it anybody from that time whatever they'll call it the war room I don't know a label that had anyone called the war room right Def Jam was strategic about everything they was doing and I was told that there was a board in there with a magic mark on it with a line down the middle right everything DMX is doing on the left side everything I was doing on the right side and they to it you know date mixtape coming out cool mixtape that's where the first one where to DMX cannabis tape it was written on exercise and they would cross it off as he would finish his thing across mine off that's how they were studying it Def Jam yeah that's why that's why they made so much bread and that's why I mean let's just keep it all the way up bro right Def Jam comedy when I was at item records right 10 dogs all suit I remember who used to get passes to go across go down to go do the Dutch and comedy just sit in the crowd Clap The Artist you you were probably doing that too clapping in the audience sitting there looking at the comics and [ __ ] right like he used to give us the passes to go right now we go down there and do it yourself the muscle we won't get paid to do it but there was no press button sample alas it was real he had the culture come down and do it all right you know thank you very much coming out today was a good night right but I'm sure that a lot of that Mega bread came from selling that catalog many years later right meaning that's where a lot of bread comes from not necessarily just the music because you got all those tapers all those Superstar Comics yeah it belongs to you you own it so you see what you're doing here I know that you know you're on your way to that right but you gotta know you got to know that that's what you're on the way to even if you just got all the content right and the thing about it is everybody gets to be rich not just one dude because there's so much of it because them calls come in man it's not just a Netflix call or what have you man it's gonna be a call where it's like everybody you feel me but and so that's what he did back then while everybody was just trying to enjoy the laughs and the tough so four three two one I was surrounded by that in that room you know and aside from jamel's by myself I didn't have nobody for my label you know when you walked in you didn't know prior to that right your name was on the board like their office right so let me show you what happened right your L you're about as big as him right stand up first time I meet LL Cool J right no he didn't do that he didn't do that man stop it when I met him right so watch this right your l oh I'm cannabis right when when we greet however you feel no I'm I'm Ill you're cannabis okay but however we greet yeah just just just go along with it because this is how I really am I swim my heartbeat right okay but what up baby what up baby girl what's good baby so yo I hear you out there he's good at that though right huh what's up I mean what's up though what you doing right huh see you you already acting weird look at you man [Music] no but that I can only say that just leave it at that and I tried to do the record I got on the record and then the rest of it went crazy okay y'all know the rest of the story but I'm happy to show you that part glad you give me an opportunity to show that but that's details that I don't know like because he did when you laid your verse the first time no no he wasn't there did you mean did you mean all right and I didn't make it first that night right I did another record on the album It's called get money or something when the phenomena album I can't remember it has something to do with get money right and I did that record and Buster was on the hook with me and I don't remember I don't remember what the name of that but it's not I'm on that record it's my in the credits right so and that's what we did that night and he was like you know we'll see what's up come through maybe do something else and if 421 happens now did you did you grow up like looking up to oh of course man is you crazy like like you know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying like nine shots to Dawn radio you know what I mean like walking with a pant down bad like are you crazy you know what I'm saying like that was actually the first rap record guys I memorized you're not your mind like because he could do it all he was a do-it-all you know I'm saying a do-it-all MC or you know you know artist it was more it was bigger than an artist to me at that time he was also young right through it all he was like do it all but he was the Persona like if he was the trace my DNA right as far as like liberal abilities and all that and Trace yours it would lead back somehow right to El kuji someone was the guy that was like some of it got anybody some of it gonna be there right but let's you know what I'm saying like let's not just run out to the thorn bush Barefoot like he was Rock him right his G Rap right it was Kane we talked about this no no but there was so many that got bigger that got busy though at least at least compared to now no now it's like it's just it's it's just everybody get busy right right but back then there was there was at least like at least about two dozen MC's I mean you had Show Business AG you had Big L you had you had uh Das effects even though that that style you know I think I think it age well in terms of creativity but you know now but nobody's rapping like that no more but they were getting busy but I said they confused you in a cipher you have Southern dwellers you had uh you had uh you had these will Don the governor you had red man you had Keith Murray you had little Jamal right you know so you had some Wicked dangerous MCS if you wasn't watching yourself you get on the track and they'll make mince meat of you right yes but the Persona of these MCs just being honest Mama Said Knock You Out was a single okay look you think what I'm saying I run with you all day L was a superstar right an ultra Star right so no lyrical [ __ ] didn't have that that Essence with L had we all know that though right right we all know that okay so so but seeing that because you're seeing were you trying to be in other videos and then were you trying to Hoodie in the middle of the of the Ring like I'm like were you trying to beat it I wasn't trying to be that was you trying to be that yes I was trying to beat it oh yeah all right so now no more I know I couldn't be that right because I wasn't I knew I couldn't be that look at me do I look like that like like come on man that thing's about to look it's everything it's everything it's everything so so like you're meeting this guy trying to look like Mama Said Knock You Out video second round looked like David against Goliath man that's what that was that was that was that was literally point it out point it out yes please he was in the ring uh-huh it's a lot of boxing references Tyson was in it but but you you did that a lot of boxing training he was working out she was running entertainment this is for the block I had to make it entertain and I had to put I put a piece of chicken on a stick to get the panther to go back and forth in the cage because you can't order it to do it right so I had to put the chicken on the stick and walk back and for the kid to meet the pen to go like this you know what I mean I had to be entertained I had to make it be what I wanted to what I wanted it to look like but did you did you what did you realize yeah did you know I was going to end up well first first did you know it was going to end up going there after your initial verse we never got after we never got it you won yeah four three two one like I'm Gonna Keep it all away but second round knockout it had went to different levels by the time I did second mind knockout like I had tried to you know what I mean like you know I was what 19 20. you know what I'm saying I don't think I was maybe I was 21. but I knew that I was trying to smooth it out as best I could because you did the video but if you know anything about Elsie you talking to me I just shake your hand you didn't know what to do when you was canvas and I was Ill just now you didn't even know what to do you didn't know what to do and you're a pro now you're a pro yeah and you still didn't know what to do back then I know you wouldn't know what to do I didn't know what to do right and so I tried to you can't even talk to him like back then even now you can't even talk that man how are you gonna talk to you Who you gonna call me back then no I could you can't I can't yeah but now yeah I'm not talking about now talk about sitting back door but back then yeah okay we're looking for Queens you didn't have no ties you didn't have no I love you but that was not that kind of guy you must don't know him do you know no you don't know man you know I don't know him like broke bread with him but I've been around I've been around the morning you probably I don't know maybe I'm not sure now I don't know right right but but the point of this is what you're getting that is it was all in his court in terms of I was a youngin all I wanted to do was rap right he knew that everybody in the studio knew it everybody knew I just wanted to rap right red man let me get on the jump through 50 bars and rap right don't touch let me get on there and rap they can't even say what the [ __ ] you want to say man to go home man I'm still who I am right when it got to the point where it felt like it was a squeeze why do you think it was a squeeze I mean getting left out of the videos good you know maybe indicator that they don't want you in it all right you know being in LA and shooting the whole four three two one and then you know not being in it you shot that original joint with them in the same room four did you want yeah the video I remember you had the football thing in the in the second video that had Master P in it there's only one video with me in it right that's what I'm saying I wasn't even there I'm like I I was in LA I got flown out to LA because you know there was a skiff between the big wigs and they finally agreed to put me in it man and there was an argument because they didn't want to pay for my flight my ticket to come and see y'all scratching at wounds and scabs it's like it was crazy right now I already have nothing to do with this but it did happen right and and I wasn't out there with the original shooting of it that's why when y'all asked Red Man's on YouTube Reggie's like yeah you know yeah oh yeah yeah L wasn't having and all that man like nobody else must really talk about it I don't really want to talk about it like did you see he was on the Grammys last night yeah you know what I mean right so I don't want to be you know I don't want it to look like you know what I mean I don't want but not in that way you know because I love it all and I'm gonna take I'm gonna say this about that whole situation right we all know what you know I'm saying Mayweather is right we all know what he did for boxing right everybody got the opinion of him and Zach that fight or Ali and Frazier right everybody got the opinions about it the question is what I would want people to apply to I don't want anybody to do anything people do what they want to do but what I would say about that is Frasier phrase is a champion right even though he lost that one right I'm asking you I don't know it's your Israel it's Frasier it's Joe Frazier Champion or not why is it so hard for people to just look at it that way with the second round knockout like why why is it so hard for them to just say you know why they want to come sit at my table during you know saying Thanksgiving and say around the table with my family neighbor that I'm not a champion well why do they want to drive home that point or why do they or why would they why would they want to not just leave that alone and look at it like you know what two Champions did they think one Champion was really the champion and went on and then that other Champion can still do his thing too instead it becomes an anvil of sorts you know and if the hug just stops with a hug but then it turns into a night to the back you know what I mean that's happened to me too you know what I mean so I'm not new to this man I I get what you're saying yeah so in the realm of battle rap um let's say that the new battle rapper he's fired body and [ __ ] you get a couple tweets like yo I want to see him versus you it's your life can't put in that much work but y'all got that much faith in this thing so when you meet him it's like a massage you are who me saying that no man yeah when I meet that battle rapper I'ma size him up because people already thinking so that first initial meet it's a size up it ain't gonna be you know what I mean it's gonna be weird you know what I mean we're gonna make it weird because I'm sorry that was crazy though you didn't even know what to do man but you get what I'm saying at 19 years old yeah fresh in and you've been spoiled because everybody else just let you do what they want yeah you've been spoiled you're not used to that energy from somebody like him nah no way man there's no way because because it's the same kind of energy yeah you feel me that's what he's doing how did you end up in a ring in your video and how did he end up energy but I had to make it entertaining at the same time no no I ain't mad at that because because it was it was for hip-hop it wasn't too I had no you know I was too young to even be thinking about playing chess that way but right but innately um that's what you both was at [Music] um you dig me yeah it's just it's just that my friend when you when you're the type of person that's like yo I'm gonna devote myself to my crap I'm gonna be the best any place I go I'm smoking [ __ ] there's some people would just be like I just want to write a good song I just want to be able to you know rap to the lady I mean I want to build Woodhead I want to work with with uh Uncle John or whatever and then these the [ __ ] yeah that's like I Wanna smoke everybody know this [ __ ] and when those [ __ ] meet yeah it's a size up whether the whether the new battle rapper knows it or not he might be a fan of man father you know math you don't understand them but I'm looking at him like [ __ ] you ever in your life you know what I'm saying come [ __ ] you ever in your life think that you gonna come stand in front of me I will crush you that's in my head you did what I'm saying hey look you know what look man I'm Jamaican man I got whipped a lot as a child dog like I didn't need that kind of extra I just didn't need it right I don't know what you talking about in the life that [ __ ] made me uncomfortable right but follow me even as a child follow me down here he's adoption you said your name was on the board you're not even at that level um roll the pieces together sizing you up and then you say you know that might go y'all let me borrow that my [ __ ] if I'm already in the talking about the mic we talked about the mic I asked right I asked that night right because I did that record with the with the get money track right and I asked him what did you straight cheese like I asked him about the mic I said yo that Mike she's always talked about that Mike Mr Cheeks was talking about the mic on the road in the van and the other week he was talking about Mike that you know not they was talking about tattoos dopest tattoos in hip-hop this would have been like what 93 392 yeah I was in high school in 92. she's been like 93-94 cheeks was talking about that so in 90 seven when I saw it I was I was being a fan man or being like a stand right I said that to someone oh Jinx always talked about that Mike it really is Wicked Man look what if I got one of those you would be you would be vexed you know would you be mad if I got one after I'd already done the hook he was like yo stack it baby and I stacked the hook and he loved the song Get Money song so I thought maybe I could ask right and I did right he said he said you don't go baby yo you could get that man you don't say as long as you rapping you can get that right as long as you wrap it as long as you rep it how was you supposed to I didn't think that he meant all right yo we're gonna battle for 25 years I had no clue I guess that's what it meant you know what I mean but that's not what happened but but I'm saying like bro I get it you know people try to say not to take certain things personally and Shout the little buses because I got this from him he was like get old people saying some people hand you a pumped up contract or whatever uh you're not supposed to take it personally because it's business but if your business supports your family and how do you not take it personally right this became an issue for a lot of people in the battle culture where a battle rap match would become real beat listen to him you think what I'm saying so now you gotta understand uh this million dollar budgets with y'all too [Music] everybody's talking um how do you not becoming that mentality of oh no this is really warm it's really warm I saw YouTube I saw YouTube uh video with uh but um DMX in a school the fat man in schools asking X who were his top 20 artists of all time rappers get busy lyrical right um you know I'm saying uh he said you like three times right right all right snap tell them what happened but but but I but make sure you you say how school left my name out G yeah but X yeah X said your name at least three four times and he had to remind him and then keep right that's why he kept saying your name now thank you I remember that but the thing was when school was mentioned in the other names he mentioned the name of the institution well now we've been talking about institutional names now because it's another institutional name right so when he mentioned that name he mentioned that name second in the lineup so why would he say my name then you can't say my name he's not allowed to say my politics up he's not allowed to the politics but this is something that you can't prove right and this is something that you can't really you sound crazy walking around talking like that and I really don't mind because why ask God bless his soul right he said it you see because God is really here right he's really here he's not doing other things sometimes he come down check up on things right and make sure that there's a balance to things right and I gotta tell y'all right now even this show this feels like a balance because it's cleaning up a lot of things and at the same time hip-hop is still better off for this and not worse off right whenever it's becoming the lake about to be worse off for things because look there's other podcasts I could go to that you know things will be worse off we know these other podcasts you go to you know yeah it's gonna be drama yeah you let me bring in my own Malibu and pineapple I mean force feed me anything right and so and you allow like just natural speak and when you're talking in the battle rap thing how that energy could go left go sour yeah that's the realest thing you should do I'll be down to do anything with you to let's let's come up with it with a you know you know you know you know anger addiction prevention you know rap rap you know battle rap Prevention Hotline or something man because look dude what's going through it you know what what really has to happen is they have to see me and that person shake hands right then everybody ah right and I can be his fan again right I had to stop because of my loyalty but I really like them you know what I mean but I had to stop because of my loyalty but with the when Once those hands shaking it's like yo man good [ __ ] [ __ ] good [ __ ] that's when everybody else go that's when the Entourage it was like this the whole time ago yo man yo good [ __ ] you know what I mean Sandy facts and the thing is you're saying it you proved it tonight several times to me right you proved it to me you've been through a lot you've been through a whole lot rolls above right you still got a lot more to do we all do you know what it is pressure increases right right what you did you did that tonight the question is man and what we want to oppose all the youngest watching this is don't take too long to do it you know I'm saying life is fleeting yeah it's my 25th year anniversary Grammys the Grammys last night was a 50-year anniversary right we all put into that you all of us we put in to the hip-hop thing right you know the genre the culture the you know the phenomenon of Music this this music that nobody owned and nobody controlled and then model you came out and then it got you know it went through slavery but you know you know I basically our rights movement right right but don't let it take too long man like it's not really worth it like that's what I can say like in terms of the you letting these Rhymes come to life you got to know that look I was there you know when when uh we know the album cover life after death came in the room and they were looking at it the biggie standing behind the hearse it it made me just like I was just so scared for him can ready to die look it does look spooky yeah I saw it it looks Ghostly took the pictures and they came in they put it on the table when they were cutting it with that thing and they would they would they were shaping up the you know shaping up the page and um I was over there the dad probably listening to Joe so I win Awards right and they say yo will come look at this and I came and said you don't want to see it it's hot I came over there I looked and I was standing behind on looking and they looking and it was hot but as I got close and I looked at it I did say to myself man on my heartbeat I said to myself I don't know if he's gonna make it I said that as a as a youngin looking at it because I instinctively knew ready to die we was all ready to die somewhere or another we all hopped in that that car that that 90 that 80 that 82 Chevette that the tires so bought a mosquito bite is going to bust you over with you know what I'm saying like we all did that to get to a show a a performance you know a talent show or something showcase but I knew that ready to die was an open and close like classic it's open and close start with a heartbeat and with a heartbeat life after death looked like something else to me the artwork that is yeah um the dial was dope with the artwork and so don't wait too long don't make things like that and flirt around flirt with them energies and make things yeah and then take too long so you don't say you know what maybe I should you turn with this that's all that's all really but there's nobody that's telling brothers that man okay he's speaking in cold what he's saying is he don't got no beef you know what I'm saying we all part of this thing hip-hop that we love 50th anniversary to Hatchet whatever it is an art it was supposed to be art it wasn't supposed to take form and become like I can't I can't show him love I can't show him love it wasn't supposed to be that we were supposed to step the [ __ ] back and enjoy it wow that was dope wow that was dope okay everybody's good let's go home I wasn't supposed to turn into stay over there I can't it's my man but I get it you know what you are now all of you because I watch you I watch y'all in here you know what y'all are now below Cuba lingo be like yeah [Laughter] that's what all of you are I'm trying to get the triple OG status man in order to get there we have to help each other at them heights yeah it's a way different kind of you know ground to run on in a way different way to jump rope it's not no OG way when you get there by giving people all right the same opportunities you was given Triple G status if you put people in position that's when you trip worse we're going to take a five minute break [Music] rappers got bars I can hang with the Backpackers [Music] [Applause] got your baby mama [Applause] GB Skip navigation 1 2:59 / 1:08:13 MY EXPERT OPINION EP # 163: CANIBUS TALKS BATTLE WITH LL COOL J, WYCLEF & ARMY LIFE (PT 2) MATH HOFFA 803K subscribers Join Subscribed 1.2K I dislike this Share 52K views 11 days ago MY EXPERT OPINION (Full Episodes) *THE VIEWS, OPINION, AND COMMENTS EXPRESSED ON "MY EXPERT OPINION SHOW" BY ANY GUEST BEING INTERVIEWED ARE THOSE OF THE GUEST AND DO NOT REFLECT 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like yeah but hold on but but now you like you were saying and orange so when it comes time to make that album which one are you going to be or you're going to be all of them it starts to get crazy can't help but be all of them whether you're going to be on your new music I'm curious I want to know me me I'm always successful yeah the answer is I'm gonna be the guy that knows a lot more than the guy that you met yeah the right thing and all on your team the right people on your team at that time when you were 19 years old it's more that goes into it than just picking beats first of all they have to establish a level of trust with you whereas a 19 year old is going to look at you and go what you tell me to do I'm gonna trust you and do that right and that that's that's the start because otherwise I'm gonna do what I want to do that's the artist's attitude I'm gonna do what I want to do the [ __ ] are you talking about you don't know me you don't know nothing I'm gonna do what I want to do all right okay they can't work with this kid I can't work with them you gotta let him do what he's gonna and he's gonna fall in his face a bunch of times you just gotta hope that one time when he fall into place you don't do too much of them you don't break his nose into his brain maybe he just lose a couple people he'll come back that's a bad artist like me I didn't do that I went to Rock Gym crib five times five days in a row before he would even do the record with me first two days he didn't talk to me I didn't say you were satin corner like this man roll this blunt from this rock it's always one badge to him back then maybe the third day they passed the one to me right so I already knew how to behave around my elders man stuff you talking about I don't really know why artists would do that he's just running into a brick wall man you're gonna kill yourself I'm taking examples from your story so yeah so to try to be successful and when it came time to like rock him to do the record they would say hey my deep my aunt all kept asking because nobody was allowed to go and send me Dino was like yo how much do I want for the track I said I don't know every day he asked me I don't know I don't know he said he'll ask him I asked him wow so he said so he said man just ask him so I never did Dino had to go ask him where I said yo talk to Bert so Bert is 112 with a pledge everybody right so so verse said eight right came back said he won eight I went to Eloise Brian Brian University told Eloise to cut Rod check for 13. I'm saying that's on my heartbeat why because I really did like love rise or Lyricist if he wanted eight eight to take care of some [ __ ] to get straight to 13 so do what you want to do that was my I had a budget that was my way you know what I'm saying and I did that with all G Rap all of the [ __ ] I loved I really like came out the pocket to deal with it especially when I had a budget I was Reckless with the budget because that was one minute showing that yo there's no lip service I really like I really look up to you without having to say that more than once or twice right right so being the being successful part I get it it's just that line of The Duality what you're talking about where you wanna that's why I was saying to you like I really do want to be a part of something where not like the carers want y'all to build the nation the hip-hop or the temple hip-hop and never get built something that like this is a landmark y'all should know that this is a landmark and and and you you do gotta like have a like a timeout like the ivy people have a time-out zone or safe space right for for our folks because they get jammed up man where it's like yo they gotta Flex with the runs we chose bigger than that dude yeah it's not about no Rhymes you probably one of the only ones that made it through the battle circuit to this name another one it ain't happened names is different I look at names he's got on because what he did and what have you struggle but remember that whole the Everlast the Vinnie past the Ill Bill they kind of get like a pass to you know go they can go overseas and get with a DJ scribble or go do a tour for years and come back with bread and then they have to jump rope the way that we did right so it's necessary to create that kind of safe space because we don't really have a fallback or a safety net and a lot of people all [ __ ] do got is rap no I mean I'm a captain you know what I mean I can capture My Yacht and pull up to that [ __ ] I'm not I'm just I'm telling you that's the reality right I could literally pull up [ __ ] gonna be with their phones like yo who's that that's cannabis and I can pull up and play second round just ignorant [ __ ] right I'm not gonna do that but I can't do it though man but I would have done it without anybody help see that's the difference between like what I went through God was really on my back I'm learning lessons and things that I had to go through right but I'm trying to give back too it's just difficult for me to give back without the co-sign because then it looks like oh you just trying to sell records or you just trying to I don't know clean it up or so the code sign is important I don't feel like you need a co-sign I feel like is more of you just need an area of no conflict you think what I'm saying and in the same way that you looked at the life after death cover and you was like y'all know if you're gonna make it listening to your Rhymes you had to know I don't know if people are gonna like really [ __ ] with me because I'm basically [ __ ] on everybody on a record you think what I'm saying I'm putting off this Persona like I'm better than you the reason I said the wrong the greatest rapper of all time down on March 9th I didn't say it because I was trying to capture a moment that [ __ ] I would have been crazy to say for that reason I appreciate thank you for that line by the way I said it because I was in 10 dog Patterson's office went Park when he called Puff on the jack on the Star Tech razor jump and puff answered the phone he was on the speed boat and hypnotized it was on the speedboat I heard the helicopter he said yo baby I can't hear you talk up he was on a speedboat and he was like yo man we too said we puffles Sykes man he was happy he's like yo man yesterday I was driving backwards in the drop e [ __ ] wait till you see it I'll do 80 miles an hour he was hyped right and he said yo homie I'm gonna send I'm gonna send you the footage so I said and this is on my heartbeat apartment for you I said I said that's what I said to dog now remember I'm just intern a man is Lost Boys co-man is lost but I'm an intern dog really listened to me he took the phone tell him to come home because it was hot at that time right for him out there in L.A right and I see a little time to come obviously yeah so Daddy so look so we try to y'all got like what one more day to shot it's a rapper said nah we got two more days in the shot just Puffs in so he said all right so look so after that y'all wrapping up coming up after three days he said nah [ __ ] we out here for two weeks so then dog was like two weeks it's like yeah we got Awards and [ __ ] to go through all that I'm sitting in the room yeah me man I'm looking at them old ass phones with the intercom [ __ ] right puff used to throw a lot of those against the wall you know saying so the temp dog [ __ ] get angry right and I said I said yo so I stopped saying anything I wasn't saying that no more like a week later a couple days later what happened happened I said it because of that that's why I wrote that line because it was just so close to home you know a woman you're on the speedboat and you in LA and everything's good and then the next minute you know what I mean the whole world is going crazy because you know what I mean it's like over he had to pop so I saw how it goes too far right and it'll be brothers into being like I'm one of them [ __ ] I'm still that guy right tell him to come home man tell him to go ahead and fix that up you know and smooth that out fix it up you know what I mean and I know that there's there's there's things that is trying to prevent Brothers like me like how you got to this you got to this first down touchdown really Super Bowl kind of thing from from from being that that different Wing it's an option it's an exit on the highway that [ __ ] get on the highway and can't get off you gotta provide that for them yeah you gotta provide it for them a little time out for roadside assistance yeah you know what I'm saying yeah I ain't gonna deviate no more but yeah well I gotta I wanted to talk to you about something that after you know smoke cleared I can see how the industry and the experience that you had in it was really conflicted how did you get to the point where you said I'm going to join the Army [Music] um 2001. the towers happened changed New York forever yeah even though everybody that listen to rap music who's able to escape the reality of what happened in New York and what how it was going to change both the USA and the world was able to escape through rap some people probably don't even remember you know the towers and how that changed America and the rest of the world forever because they were busy doing something else rap music was one of those you know distractions I was in the in a situation where you know I had to be kind of serious because I used to live right over there across the across the water Jersey City the place called Avalon Cove 65 55 Avalon Cove not too far from Newport Mall in the gym over there in the treadmill not like I needed the cardio but I go in there because I was paying like 3 400 a month and I was I figured why not if we go in the gyms think up the equipment for a little while right when I used to jog I was looking at Windows of the world the towers you know what I mean so and I I did for the Spin Magazine I took a shot where I flew around they took the door off West Side Highway that little helicopter joint I had to take the door but they took the door off and I was hanging out the [ __ ] Chopper in front of the towers so I took all that serious and in my mind I was thinking to myself you know what I need to do something else before I get too old I at that time I thought that this rap thing the issues with the institutions was never going to go away it was so heavy I was like you know what I'm still young enough I can still Sprint I can still you know what I can still get busy a little bit like physically and what have you so I said man I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and take this little ASVAB test you know and I want to fly Jets I was so serious about it I went to Westchester New York Westchester Yonkers men to go get laser surgery for six bands you know I mean three bands I I was so serious right about a second best doctor in the world he had the steadiest hands in the world eye doctor cut the corneal flap over peel it back you know you take a little eyeball pretty ass nurses rubbing this nicotine or something numb it right and then they take the clip and they pull the eyeball out and then they take the laser things and you can smell the Flesh of your eyeball burning it's all burnt the cones and I could see I could jet ski without glasses do whatever you know salt water jet ski into Miami I could do all the contacts I could do all that right because those are clear friends yeah right did that to go to the service come to find out 27 28 is the cutoff date for you know any type of jet flying any Jet flight school all that right so then I was stuck with so then at that point I'd done all that work and [ __ ] on myself I'm like I'm going somewhere anyway right I would have went to Ukraine back there right you know I was trying to get away and go do something else to Define myself to myself right and so I did I followed all the way through with it I was a striker driver you know what I mean um troop transport you know used to carry Marines we used to you know a big man Drop Striker is a eight wheel vehicle 40 tons it's got eight wheels four on that side rabbit mold Turtle mold you know what I mean cheap transports live 25 like a serious piece of equipment right I'm probably the only one in the room that could drive it yeah except for my man over here that's a decent and then Cali Rex like you drive everyone Abrams right so this is something that like we can do if something happened right now it's enough people in here to Fitness Striker I know how to get in there drop the ramp you know what I'm saying y'all jump in there right you understand rap to me was something that I knew that if I didn't get away from it and do something else I'd have been stuck with that forever so I tried to do something else right and I did and you did right were there any experiences over there that you remember that made you feel like this this is why this was worth it now over there meeting over in Afghanistan or Iraq I didn't go I trained with my troop Pat Tillman Patrick Tillman I don't know if anybody remembers him you know he was a ranger we used to PT on the same field in Tacoma Washington and Pat Tillman like you know died you know by fracture side I mean it was a big thing for us there at the I mean I know that everybody in this room don't necessarily couldn't maybe wrap their mind around how serious that was but if you look it up on the internet you'll still see you know crumbs and threads about it and it was so Pat Tillman played for the Patriots he was he was and he gave all that up basically he did what I did yeah like exponential though it was exponential he had he was a millionaire he had the H2 Hummer you know what I mean it was crazy but he went into the Marines no he went into the Rangers yeah on the first you know what I mean he was there like we used to PT on the same field I see him coming in and out of Madigan gate at um you know Fort Lewis he had a H2 and for some reason I had a I had a 67-68 Camaro it was yellow with black Racing Stripes like bumblebee you know what I'm saying you know I got that um I got that because you know when you're speeding and you're in a foreign you know these Ivory boys not letting you go when you got an American Muscle to say hey son you know how fast you was going son officer I apologize I just got out the shop what you got under the hood you know what I mean it's American right right I'm giving that away you know because it's true yeah you know you slow down there son all right yes yes our officer you know what I mean get my ID and stuff so every single time going in an automatic again gentleman would see me and wave at me because everybody wanted to know what was under the hood it was a lt198 vet engine in a 67-68 Camaro I used to spank the Subarus all that it was a seven-speed Richmond transmission Five Point roll cage Five Point seat belt harness stainless steel fuel cell no AC just heat you know what I mean the car was [ __ ] man shout out to David curvature so 50. I was a good soldier man I was the nastiest Striker driver like out so I major always wanted to ride with me because our major when I got to the troop and I seen his picture on the wall because when you get to your barracks got president's picture vice president you know I'm saying uh Secretary of Defense you know you have all right and [Music] um some major pictures up there and uh he looked like 50 man you look like 50 cents right look like Curtis Jackson look like 50. and from that all the brothers would be like yo 50 coming you know what I mean so it's like the Army the Army was the Army is a complicated thing to different Generations the armed services is complicated for different Generations but my time in the army in spite of the fallen and what happened to America in the world like how things turned out um in spite of that I had a good time there was a lot of great relationships shout out to DJ Porter rock you know what I'm saying Pablo Cruise when I showed up to my Barracks he was playing Wu-Tang man I was kind of nervous even showing up there and when I heard hey you you know Minecraft you don't know me and I heard the Russian you know what I'm saying yo apologize you know what I mean protecting like I heard that coming out the barracks window it totally broke that it's like when she said ah yeah you know yeah but the Tillman thing I ain't gonna front man no chasing man when that happened to Tillman somebody [Music] friendly party yeah and um you know I remember I remember uh one one time when we were coming back from from a job you know 1K job we're coming back and uh it was a gate out the backs where they used to PT in the pool and he was going down they were all going down but it was Tillman's turn and he went down into the pool and um there were scubas in the pool maybe about three scoopers already in the pool and so you know he went down there he was down there about a minute and a half right maybe two minutes then he started coming up because this is the drill so we stand by the gate looking so then he's coming up when he comes up or trying to come up they grab him and he can't come up and so he thinks they're playing and stuff you know it feels like somebody playing you know so he like stopped playing a little bit of wiggling you see get more intense he's running out of air then you just see he started throwing scoopers out the pool this is from underwater you know what I mean scuba guys get thrown out of the pool so then two more scoopers jump in and then and then they trying to hold then another two scoopers jumping it took about six scubas hold them down and take them to the bottom he took them to the bottom all bubbles then he pulled him right back up and then brought him back right when he got up he started body slamming him right he spit out the water he got to be so body slamming stuff and then colonel colonel walls over and like you know right to the chest you you [ __ ] raise your what gentlemen see your surgery did act like one right when he moved his hand he had his ranger tabs so you know I saw that on my own too she said now you know what it feels like to drown Brothers will bring you back if they can that kind of movie [ __ ] you know what I'm saying like but I just look at that and I'm seeing that's at that moment I was saying what the [ __ ] am I doing here really though wow military yeah yo Talib kwali got a show right shout out to Talib Talib made a verse saying something crazy about cannabis joining the Army right I could say this with a smile because I love Tyler we talked about it he was very honest and he just kept it above it was like okay because I didn't know right but at that time I was in formation so I made you the same one 50 hardcore you do not want to play with 50. right M7 Gucci seats interior you know what I'm saying spit shine boots you did not go to you did not want to play with 50 right right so now the song I didn't even know it came out right I'm in formation so I made the screams out there out today Williams get the [ __ ] in here all right in front of everybody as I run in there double time in there you know stay in that formation so he says sit down you know what I mean that first of all says no I want him standing so so now I stand [ __ ] did I tell you to get that rest Eddie's go back to formation right right so then he goes goes over to the record player on the TV versus play on his own and then he says you know they I don't know if Madison has cannabis manager you know I want to join the arm yeah and was management I don't know what the [ __ ] that [ __ ] was that I heard yeah but he said who the [ __ ] is Taliban quality [Laughter] does that sound like I made that up I hope so at that moment I realized that I abandoned hip-hop but not that's our wrong reasons but that's how we felt but when he said that I realized I also realized that even then I just needed a hug and he was talking about something that we all got somebody in the service right right that I just related to us that lives in the home with us right or you know that we you know children we sent off right but it's so it the odd the culture Black Culture in America is so immersed in service Armed Forces service right that is no you cannot get it you can't even deny that when he said that in my mind I'm like damn [ __ ] you just dissed an entire you know country a population you know more than you can count just to get that cannabis and make me feel like silly or stupid or whatever yeah and you cost me a whole lot of issues standing there with sergeant major what was that who the [ __ ] is Taliban quality I love you that's why you're a pro so he's a rapper you couldn't really do that with all sort of major but but tell me like like he's a rapper he's a rapper wrong answer I looked at him with the most puppy dog eyes ever man some major I don't know what that is I've been here training with y'all for a year [Laughter] I don't want to know Taliban I do not want to know him you would have got smoke bro for that you would have got smoked yeah because you trained with these guys right and then if that narrative slits into just the wrong aloof mind I think that I'm near to like you know go create mute me or go left or I'm not really there for the reasons I'm there for which is to like yo I want to add on to what you know the hearts and Minds that's when we were trained right right and so I was so [ __ ] angry about that a telephone quality I was so angry and I just said him with hip-hop in general because it's like that's how they look at me man that's what they would do for no [ __ ] reason it's like was the line the you know I never had nobody come to me and say the line was hot I love Talib now we talking now but at the time it's like what did you get for that at least young Z I love young Z let's give it up for Young G young Z came to me and Rod [ __ ] yo GK to me and said one time we went to Shaq's crib that young G straight up just told me man it was like one of the first things he said to me said yo you know me you got the perfect on the same day right I said no I didn't know that say come on [ __ ] I love you say yo I did Eminem I made 800 000 man for that first check yeah it came out straight out [ __ ] you know I made 800 yo you can't see my crib with binoculars I started laughing Young G told me that he did the child you know I got 800 000 for that [ __ ] like yo those you know what I mean yeah just because he was being scared though just coming straight to it like let's get out that that out the way right you know that's what I enjoy man I'm one of those guys just talk to me right I can handle it if you talk to me right if you tell me the truth I could really handle it so you know you know what the beauty of today is Holly squash that by the way right so I'll let squash that he said to me yo man I didn't know cannabis and we hugged because he he said that if he didn't say I didn't try to say what you said was like yo you know he's a rapper like all that type of [ __ ] if he would have said that my dudes we were standing there it was going down I had never been so angry man because they knew about the story right okay solo brought him in the room he said hey [ __ ] look what I got man I got that here yeah you hit me and I was so angry because what happened behind that right but he cleaned it up real fast and I was right there with a mop in the floor with him because I was mopping fools behind that stupid [ __ ] right you know what I mean but here's the thing the beauty of today is um for you to address or for people to get to know you had to go through platforms of places that would be more interested in what they could sell than what you're actually saying [Music] um you know what I mean so you it's hard for people to get to back in the days I felt like there was a real gap between fans and artists because other than their music you didn't know much about it you know unless you knew somebody that was in the neighborhood or grew up with them or a family member or whatever so you were left to the imagination or the Publications that spoke on artists and if they put something out there or they make made something look a certain way that's what it was because we didn't have the connection to say yo is this true you know what I mean it's why I say people say to people if you if you feel a way about a story that's out about you unchecked lie becomes the truth sometimes you if it if it bothers you you're not above it so you should address you feel me so now when people watch this they'll be like oh I I get it now yo yo y'all made polo made the call did I go back right you responded man made it happen right that's what our people need to do so y'all are a shining example of what needs to be done I couldn't have done with the two you did I couldn't have made it happen all by myself right but you dance with me about things you didn't put me in no thin Eyes by myself but you made sure that you were conscious of knowing like yo I did [ __ ] with You Chris I listened to your [ __ ] maybe like you you inspired me to do not even knowing that I was a spying all I was doing was present my resume to the hip-hop World At Large you know both in America overseas I'm Jamaican I should be doing reggae music rat dance but I just loved it rap right I loved what rap was doing how the slang how he was able to do things I just wanted I chose rap yeah but I'm Jamaican like Cali Rags do reggae rocker but he switched it over to he could we could dance right but rap man and I was like a part of all of this what rap turned into and to see y'all doing what y'all do like I wasn't ready for the Battle With Disaster you know aside from the fact that my shoulders ripped out the socket you know but at the same time I wouldn't have been ready anyway I could have been able to dance a little bit better but I wouldn't have done much better because y'all that needed training training coach what y'all do like you say yo this is why I got it I tell any artist that's gonna get into that yo sit with a battle rap right for like a week two weeks I start the school man that's what your career needed early on too that's what I keep hearing you know that's what it is you needed somebody back in the day when you first got started to really walk you through what was about that [ __ ] where were you at man when I knew yeah not far away I hear you hear your interaction with L the right A and R on your team would have told you look this is what's about to happen don't take it personal it's fine go in this room you just want to we leave we'll take care don't express nothing out there you know I'm saying there's a lot of things that you went through I hear a lot of misunderstandings through the circuit of your career a lot of things that could have been easily corrected with a couple of conversations right um a heavier hand on your on your house making process no bro you need a hook no I have to teach you how to make an album for for the radio because your competition lives there and he's going to stomp you if you don't know how to play Mecca you need to learn how to play you know I respect you back up just because of how I've been paying eye contact with you and attention to you you're 100 percent I just don't want it to turn into something where it's like cleft didn't do the best that he could have with me because of why I cut from the foods Jerry won the fries you know what I mean like you know John 14 at the time the band I want to send a shout out to the Whole Foods you spending about the key band the other the instruments the instrumentalists geniuses clap was the only one that introduced me to the world all this Talent you're talking about that y'all be talking about y'all be coming to beat me in the [ __ ] head and I have whatever cleft was the only one that said uh yo listen I need you in the studio right now I was in Justin's to open the grant opening of justice for Jay-Z you know was there right and he he said to be cannabis he said canvas I turned around and I only knew of him I knew of them from you know souls and Mischief JJ got busy with it man come on ain't no [ __ ] you know what I mean like you know what I'm saying maybe Reasonable Doubt like come on you know who Jay-Z was right but the thing is I didn't know anything about him like off duty Clark told me that because Clark is worth clocking shout out the clock yeah shout out to Clark and Peter panic and Peter Panic triple OG he's got to that status now yo Peter Panic he said uh he said uh Clark was like um Club was like yo Jay-Z is going to be God cannabis j-hope you're gonna be Jehovah and he used to say this to me I was younger I'm thinking it had to do with Rhymes and I'm thinking it had to do it yourself I didn't understand business you know just playing I had no idea you know an intellect you know I mean it's reboot Acuity I had no clue all right so Jay is that opening the grand opening of Justice he says this ribbon cutting this is the grand opening but puff happy you know we all happy man he goes uh I think like Donald Trump used to come through man and like see drinks on me and like dude he used to do stuff like that for the like the rappers that was out there getting it that's how we knew like Trump and stuff we didn't see things get political and get thrown out the window and so like man we was just we was coming up and coming through a type of thing where the only color that matter was green yeah that's all that we were seeing right so anyway hoe was like no canvas I turned around yeah he had on all white I don't know if it's around herself I can't remember I can't tell the difference yeah yeah he had on uh yeah he had he had the uh wine glass in his hand white wine like from Cannabis you ready for what this game gonna do to you man so me thinking it was just rapping and Rhymes I said hell yeah I'm ready looking at this [ __ ] man like like I didn't know what he was talking about what he meant at the moment that I said you know hell yeah I'm ready cleft actually angles they just turned me around clefty goes you know a little dresses she said cannabis he said yo where you been man I've been looking for you man listen man I need you in the studio right now man I got this going to November record I need you in the studio right now so me knowing that y'all this is crap from the foods he's like I bought Brandon on reality but the fujis went somewhere else so let me tell you they was like the Beatles man or overseas man people could say whatever they want but when I was able to go from like the Indie right Universal put me in some good Studios but Sony started taking care of everything and I started going to the Hit Factory Chong King you know it was neither quiet no better than any Factory Sony yeah big rooms John King right the big houses getting on presidential class you know what I'm saying version you know what I'm saying all that stuff I think I might have done the Concord I can't remember right when I started doing stuff like that he introduced me to the world going to November like video Single made it a single let me rap put the chain around my neck with the [ __ ] stones in it you know what I'm trying to say like people say what they want and there was no funny business going on right like he did that as a you know I'm saying Caribbean you know what I mean like if I don't it was a Caribbean connection stuff like that he did that to basically say look man they trying to cook you if you don't know yo but but look he didn't say that to me but it's like he felt that in his arm like y'all ain't gonna cook you man let me take your ass overseas man and show you some stuff and calm you down right and his process of calming me down was records like let's ride and what's going on and you know what I mean the problem was I didn't have somebody like you that could have been like all right listen y'all want five second round Knockouts with just different people yeah put that on the album cleft was trying to get me to you know what I mean it sold 20 million albums Hoffa you know what I'm saying at that time I understand my label was doing anything for I understand for who you were to the people who was going to stand online outside of Virgin Mega at six in the morning and get your album that morning true you know you know what I mean didn't translate in that project that's the only time I ever met Nas what did Big say Big [ __ ] was here he we asked him why he why he didn't work with you he said she went on tour with the Fugees and never came back yeah he said yeah he heard yeah he's like oh he want to talk with the food there's nothing wrong with it yeah like I was 18 20. what I'm saying he was like I meant Nas for the first time because of with the Foodies and Knox told me that when he heard the you know DMX you know what I'm saying Nori candy up at Flex he pulled over the car on the on the turnpike and listen to the junk and was like he was like yo what you drinking cannabis said grandma yay right because that's what you know what I'm saying that's what I had started with and um I left that alone but yeah but uh snap he said he said yeah right he said um he said uh he said I pulled over cannabis he said you know I ordered that it came he was like he said you know Kansas man I got to I had to turn around and go back to the crib God like what I was going to do in the studio that night it wasn't gonna make it man I went back to the creek no I said that to you you didn't have to I'm telling you what I experienced because of Club when I came out of the room with knobs little Lounge area stepped on it Maxwell's cannabis hey Maxwell I'm like yo mama there's a lot of this [ __ ] yeah when you believe me if I was sitting in front of this guy right one time I saw Haley Berry hold on it was Eric Benet I came out the studio I didn't I knew the name but I didn't know who he was exactly right and um he was like yo canvas man I really like your music coming out of the Hit Factory he's like I'm living like a music your brother said he was talking and I see the Haley coming down the behind him he said while I was looking right behind him feel the vision she was coming down the sidewalk so I was just looking at her yeah I didn't know they was together because I'm trying to tell you how crazy it was that Eric Benet was talking to me I didn't know who he was really and because I was hearing that all the time I didn't care I saw Halle Berry she's coming down so she walks up behind him I don't know she grabbed his booty or something and she you know she holding on to him and then I realized like oh she with him and I just felt so stupid because then I was like oh yo yeah we can work together you know but it was that kind of stuff was happening right clef was made or he opened on the doors for me but I don't yo I love cleft for that man Jerry I love playing they opened me up yeah yeah so so look even if things went sour cold Sour Whatever I got those memories man do you understand now the guy that you know does the Thousand mixtapes and you know gets the album that what I mean look can I bust this Platinum it's not gold no more right I think it's double Platinum double Platinum 25th year anniversary nice cleft didn't do a bad job the way that hip-hop went a little bit too hard they never sat and thought for a second everybody said what cannabis could have been but wasn't none of them trying to help accept clef you see the ones that the producers that's probably slamming this is not [ __ ] that I thought I was trying to say you scared too many people bro yeah you scared too many people you scared the [ __ ] out of [ __ ] you just heard did you hear what Don's just but you just said how many other rappers you think felt like that when you came around that was Major too help this [ __ ] help me he's a threat now help me give me Halle Berry and leave me alone it wasn't just the battle rap right I was really interested in other things right you know what I'm saying for young men yeah yeah I was trying to I was trying to navigate through all this and then I had this monster on me did you know that the institutions on me was like and I yeah I jumped out the window with that because that's because I was trying to get Grandma cribs you know what I'm saying I'm trying to hold my brother and I'm assuming yo yo I'm gonna do it man watch you know what I'm saying all the dreams we had right you know what I mean trying to prove to my father that yo I can do this right you know what I mean I remember my father he's Jamaica I'm gonna say this shut up you got in the car he's like yo so yeah man what's up I'm coming this see up on MTV man I'm from your activity like it's a process right you know what I'm saying like I had I had a lot of other things on my head right so when faced with any opposition like how you've been through it right you go through that wall man you don't have a choice yeah and I did it but I didn't do it knowing the collateral damage right I was I was young and I was trying to go with the culture I was doing it the best way I knew how and I know there was wise Elders man that could have I'ma say this shut up Biz God Rest his soul rest in peace but if you did a show okay solo Sean P was dead you know I'm saying eventually like you know would you help whatever podcast I was I could give you the footage you had to footage all in the in the session The Green Room together Biz goes business tells me the story about as he's talking because we held him down uh he was headlining the show Copenhagen Joel Ortiz was there yeah Copenhagen so um uh Biz Biz started having difficulty halfway through his set you know we jumped to the stage we started holding him down right when he got to you got what I needed man he didn't have to say a word you know what I'm saying I know we held him down yeah I'm talking about instinctively because he was having trouble not to say he can't do it but just that night yeah it was on the nose for him right we jumped on the stage we had we already had our bikes like yo yo yo my man go cool rock V and what you know what I'm saying and we held him down then it was over he was happy we jumped to the rescue without a word made of the show everybody then we got back to the green when we sweating he's like yo man yo he's happy you know what I'm saying his was like being said uh he said you can't miss it he jumped right into it I was really just kind of enjoying the moment Sean P was dead Okay solo and he really jumped right to the Cannabis man the Beats man yo you just needed the producers yo he jumped right into it I said this come on man he said no I'm telling you I said well [ __ ] where were you because I got Biz to check for the um Take This Job and Shove It John right the check was like a heavy check 50 pounds that's not sneaker money right you know what I'm saying I got Biz that check you know what I'm saying and it's like where were you when all that was going on where were you right I didn't go that way with it that was in the mind I did ask him once like the Bears like where were you when I needed the Beats what you talking about but there's nothing you'll be he understood what I said business was always Fair he looked at me blings like this he said yo cannabis and he started explaining something to me about you know what I'm saying like with him and Cain and he wrote some John and and he had to come out with it but then he had to wait and sup with him and Kane it was something that y'all would love to know right but Biz had to he went through a similar situation and told me I had to push through it and everybody was like this it was something serious not serious come to blow serious but it was something that damn I didn't know biz King wrote that forbids or I'm not gonna say Biz Road for King cause Kane didn't need nobody help right but it was something with a beat or a Jack and a hook and Biz had something he was telling them right and um and it was like if he would have listened to Biz he would have been able to do that because remember Biz was doing when we was in Copenhagen doing I don't know Biz was doing it but last time I saw Biz business had like the Tesla Jones look good he was he's fake he looked great I was happy for him right I got out the car with got out the Panama Johnny business over there by the time he said your cannabis sucks rest in peace man I just want to say like for a lot of the what the message I'm getting from your journey is and this is the message for like young artists right that's coming in the game is that number one is to not be afraid to embrace your talent right that's number one embrace your talent um and Propel that [ __ ] to the furthest extent past the Pinnacle purpose right and don't and don't don't ever inhibit yourself from what you can really do also understanding who your influences are right when you whoever your influences are and you meet them right understand that there's always an agenda going on right always understand that somebody who's in the Ivory Tower and you're where you're at and you're trying to get to the Ivory Tower there's always a gen an agenda between those two points of Steel you're 100 right right so now so now what happens is like you said with that first meet of you and LL Cool J in that handshake and everything this is my personal opinion there's a threat coming it's just like the Army is just like whoa there's a threat approaching boom we can see it coming up on the beach you see it two miles out two kilometers out is a threat coming how are we going to combat that right not saying anything against LL I love LL he's a legend but this is the thought process with these institutions we have to protect we have to protect on that it's a business it's a business you know I'm saying so for all the Young Artists out there understand who you're dealing with keep on like working on your crap only never forget that at the end of the day it is a business somebody keeps the lights on at their institutions that you might be trying yeah not not on top of that I think um I think I just think a lot of people wanted to see you fail um and and there's nothing there's something wrong with a person wanting someone else to fail they didn't do you don't know but it's like you don't know right it's like it's like stepping on the court with uh with Jordan you know what I mean Ron artez accidentally snapped a couple of George's ribs I mean do you know what that happened no it happened you know no I know the ball players no right he accidentally snapped a couple of his rigs on a like a uh like a scrimmage right and you know everybody was there was Matt because I did a like an album was wrong Ron's meta World Peace shout out the meadow world please shout out to Jordan right it was an accident he got excited then he snapped a couple of his Meadow World Peace was like Dennis Rodman he was solid like like one of them freight train type guys where he don't really know his strength all the time right accidentally injured him stacked a couple ribs the hate that came his way after that it was just like me with second round knockout and y'all didn't even know that but that's what happened so I don't know everything about Metta World Peace and with stats or whatever like my brother knows the Game Craze he could tell you all the stats everybody's stats but I can tell you this after that play the tape Meadow World Peace World kind of changed whenever y'all saw his stuff changing a little bit because he was still that guy he was after that little scrimmage that accident right that's what happened man well sometimes he he just he can't say that because you know that's how you see yourself and then it's how people see you and as much as everybody wants to be real you have to pay attention to how other people see because then you'll understand motives and and the way certain people move you'll get it you know what I mean like I used to wonder why the [ __ ] every time I go out and I meet [ __ ] they want to tell me all their War Stories why these things over here I started to realize oh these [ __ ] see me as Dad so they wanna they wanna impress me receptionally you know what I mean that's why they keep talking about Halle Berry man don't talk to me talk to me about that kind of stuff man because the rap stuff I've done enough of it been around enough of it I really could just add on to somebody with rap dealing with rap that's all I could do I never got to the situation where I had like why cleft power or mobile power where I could like sign an artist and put them on you know I helped a lot of artists get on feature on records my new record man I got Master Nisa you know Cali's already established but you know Marco Polo like we doing things to where you will I know we're gonna do jumps together but you know got to joined with names like we I'm doing things that are working with artists it's not my stuff it's just I'm doing that all the time but when the [ __ ] see me just don't talk to me about that like that's all I care about because you got to be crazy man like I'm a captain I'm a captain I'm not talking to you I'm really talking to them I'm a captain you know I mean I you know what I mean a captain a 50-foot yacht you know what I'm saying I have certifications for you know what I'm saying he's the ventilation and AC you know I'm saying I could drive strike his live 25s you know what I mean I get busy with five tons as well you know what I mean like I'm like two weeks to get my CDL like there's so many things I can do would you want somebody to run up on you while you're out there about that no now though this is now I'd Rather somebody talk to me as a as a human that has skill sets that's trying to be human you know talk to music sorry I'm sorry you signed up for the wrong [ __ ] yeah all the way through Bruce Lee's Hedges to talk to him about bonsai trees this was your metaphor from earlier on people used to going to Bruce Lee's house and tell them nobody's going into your house to talk to you about my man hands you know shout out to Coney Island went out of state you're tempted living a normal life from the stuff that we did in battle rap I would tell them all the time are you trying to be you trying to be Douglas you got a million people know you as Brooklyn hands um okay all right it is what it is bro you accept that it comes with it you you're the one that's going to start this school and give them that time-out safe space man somebody's got to do it you're most equipped to do it start the school get these people that that intermediary you know that intermediate they call it like a it's intermediary you give them that place to be to learn these things what you telling me man look I'm already kind of like past the gamut like like I told you man look Moon Cruise outside like Rakim loves the moon cruises right Moon Cruise outside right I'm saying I got my keys on me now you know that's coop in the airport garage when I go back right 50 foot yacht in the marina right I'm the captain you understand I'm trying to say like I'm already past all that when I'm doing it for a reason that's superficial not doing it to try to get on no sometimes a lot of people think because of what happened to me in my career that yo man I missed out on something I had it all not what these the mega mobiles got but who who else has had with the mega movies gotta set the mega mobiles Right double OG situations over here trying to get the triple OG the school school will get us there school will get it we're talking about school that'll get us there talk about it what all right professor what what can we expect in the future Mickey facts started the school yeah shout out and uh Mickey Mickey did a joint where he had a course he had the course of his hip-hop course your name came up in the course you also got one assignment that he gave out and asked the question about you know default Master Flex with X and cannabis and Nori and he just asked about X and candidates he said yo okay I need y'all to describe the difference between imagination and realism and realist imagination and then they went to it and he showed me footage of and I couldn't believe my eyes man people you know what I mean really go to this course to take it on the sensitive he was like yo man cannabis talking about [ __ ] that ain't even real you know what I'm saying this [ __ ] talking about he hit you make your shoulders touch and that [ __ ] ain't real mad DMX he always coming with that yo don't want you no get up 10 [ __ ] on them oh god with him like yeah the other guys like you know man cannabis crimes it's just so ill man all he can do is just make up stuff to try to tell you how ill he is it made me so happy you know like in my mind like I can't believe somebody doing this I love Mickey facts for that yes and not not being not being to you about rap that's why they talk to you about well but look not be in vain only was trying to put my resume and say can I rap with y'all that's all it ever was I just wanted to get off the benches and play with the with the dudes that I liked red man and you know what he did he let me wrap my 50 bars now that the fans will never forgive me if I don't ask you about that cycle as well eggs wow big pun Mike Geronimo at the table wow and Jimmy's bronze careful yeah yeah what do you want to know if I can remember everything I can't remember again because I was really in this much I know about it I had the Cartier's on with no frame so it was just the junk and then holding on to the lens I don't know them people were like twenty five hundred dollars man I just bought them how did you how did you get it look it wasn't a problem either I had to chain on I was chilling how did you get it how did that happen you heard about the cipher you just pulled up like I think a guy called Toray who ended up doing a lot of things had set that up because we knew he was all there for Taurus my good twin brother Victoria you know where the royalties off I'm so trying to find out where the royalties are for that [ __ ] round definitely a different tour that's like a Tory set it up he said all I know is when he was getting was like what's it for like Torres he's the guy he's on CNN and all that all the time all I knew was we was there for Tory bro that picture and then Rhymes just started breaking out who who rap first who said it everything was Satori Tori was handling the whole thing he was his camera it was it was we was there for him he bought the the he was sitting at the table with food coming when he went to eat two guys did you guys have conversations Toray had us all sit there and spill our guts man food was coming drinks he did he was the drink Champs 95 what was that 96 97 he did the drink Champs 97. drinks coming the herb was going you know what I mean like you know what I mean all we wanted to do was rap now if I said anything cocky listen man the second round knockout verse that I know I rhymed there I kind of wanted to just rap and get out of there I wanted to go see something that looked like Halle Berry you know what I'm saying I didn't want to be there I didn't want to be there so so what happened no no just something like that yeah right so so so so I'm trying to make it understandable right so so but what happened was I only said that because I said that rhyme because it was easy for me to remember I had so many I was recording and and pun was nasty and so was X and I wasn't trying to go through no [ __ ] Funk Master Flex 145 minute rap so I just wanted to do something definitive and get it over with I I did that wrong at the at the House of Blues and Shaq almost fell over the second floor when it when it when it happened Rock Kim was performing that night and when I did second round knockout on stage of the house it was a rocket launcher basically you come in a room [ __ ] just fronting this [ __ ] the second round knockout was like yo clear I cleared a room out with that right so at House of House of Blues Rakim was supposed to perform he did perform but you know when I when I did that and the crowd went so crazy anybody who's there tell you tackle Shaq almost fell over the second floor junk because he was he was into it and he's so big and so tall yeah did he lean and his mans you know had to grab him but put them back that really happened and shout out to Shaquille O'Neal right right one of the Mogul guys he wanted the triple ogs all right so Shaq so did what I did was or what happened was so crazy yo man it was like a haunted like a an hour and a half intermission before I came to us the stage man he didn't go on like five minutes after what I did it was so much energy in the House of Blues it was an hour and a half and I love rocking right and I'm telling you at that age I wasn't even able to take that in I can only say that to you now because it really did happen you know what I'm saying let's just keep it all the way up bro Tim didn't touch the stage for an hour not because of me but because the people left man [ __ ] wanted to get you the [ __ ] out of here [ __ ] wanna get get this [ __ ] the [ __ ] out of here man this chick is killing everything dude what we gonna do about this [ __ ] [ __ ] yo yo we need somebody to just get this [ __ ] out of here y'all remember you saying on the radio nah I don't go nowhere dog come back with me he's just trying to just ease their way out the sight for life where did that happen um who was you talking what was it it was either Nori or or X you said is one of the dope [ __ ] is my favorite if I ever get my hands on that instrumental okay yeah I'm going to Yellow Tape it there it is I'm going to Yellow there it is there it is yeah it is yes it is that [ __ ] that got you in trouble your career no I love the chat I understand I understand I understand but that those words from you if I ever see that [ __ ] I'm a yellow tape that's like a [ __ ] coming home from prison talking about you if I ever catch that yeah that [ __ ] is scary yeah you know I love nobody know me saying it because she ain't nothing right no no no no no no no no no nobody said nobody it's just we all see what I'm saying cannabis you don't see how other people see you you like a friendly Grizzly like who expects the grizzly not if a Grizzly is running up on you like oh [ __ ] I'm gonna die meanwhile he just wants to come up in life [Applause] what you guys doing over here so what did I do what did I do to dance in the battle after it was all over whatever I'm just saying I know it was this moment you know it was about a record yeah that was his moment right I didn't try to step on on it did I I gave it up I literally was trying to like all right man passing the torch in a way if it meant anything yeah I don't remember nobody's questioning I am a teddy bear yeah nobody's no yeah but you present like a Grizzly what do you want me to do but but this is what I'm telling you you gotta be able to pick up on how other people see that's what we want you I'm going to go to your school when you build it okay I'll let you know I just wanted to say this at the beginning like the one of the best battle rappers in the world told you he was influenced to come in to the place and stand outside the battle Eminem from my experience because you know we are the same age so I grew up listening hard Eminem looked up to you you know what I'm saying and I heard you say um things about like I think M was coming from a point of trying to make you rap again and come out and get you back in that light I don't think it was like malicious malicious I think he looks up to you and LL Cool J so are you coming so LL is you know people are arguing you know but the best rapper you know the best rapper that's ever been Eminem has is arguably the you know another best rapper that has ever been he one of the best battle rappers that I've ever been in all three of these people like the greatest rappers so are you as something that they needed to be aware that alone speaks of your greatness it's just for the acknowledgment like yo I'm a warrior I look at you as a master Warrior acknowledge you know I mean Here Eminem worms behind you I mean if you know hip-hop you listen to Hip Hop lies in it he listening to a lot of cannabis right you you and M collabing early in the game would have been [ __ ] thing like [ __ ] yeah but I'm still there you know what I'm saying it's still here Eminem allowed to you could be a phone call tonight your career is we our career is going to go as long as our life goes yeah because we're in the space now where you can just do what you want yeah it's not over we gotta think about radio records we got to think about unless that's the packages none of that [ __ ] just be an artist just be the artist I would just want to hear it you got men my age is age that followed you that we have kids you know what I'm saying so if you influence me right now with a new album what you think you just did to my future hold on baby what you said it was real too Amy Chan she's talking about with that okay I'm putting that out there listen smack the hell he helped me out with you all right sorry man yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um Mecca bigger right KO you see I'm trying right the level every now and then there's a there's a unique talent that raises the bar we saw it with Rocky um we saw it with knives [Music] saw it continue on with big hole cannabis is in that list cannabis is in that list believe it or not whether you admitted enough you're in that list freestyles how hard [ __ ] going with them shits you definitely inspired a lot of people now I've said it himself the [ __ ] out vote that night wasn't gonna make it I had to go back you raised the bar you feel me [Music] um and I thank you for your contribution absolutely absolutely foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause]